and therefore give of their time and their energy to have families in the first place. and then he made reference to this manipulation of nature. but he never mentioned gay marriage. he never mentioned gay people in there. so i think, you know, it is it was certainly one can interpret that was the focus of what he was talking about in that particular paragraph. but i think to characterize the whole message that way is reductive. he was calling all of us to task for various failings, in our personal lives, and i think that the message is that the dialogue -- we have to engage in an ongoing dialogue, even with those who disagree with us. i would include gay people. >> raymond arroyo, thank you for joining us with your take on what we expect to be the content of the homily a little later in th christmas message as well. raymond arroyo is the news director of the eternal world television network. thank you for being with us. we're going to take a short break on cnn. 2012 turned out to be a year full of incredible stories. some sparked international outrage. and as others de